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Barack Obama: Can We Talk?

Posted At : July 12, 2008 11:50 PM | Posted By : Dr. Chuck Betters
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Barack Obama, in a speech given to the Call to Renewal's Building a Covenant for a New America conference, made a worthy attempt to open a dialogue between evangelical conservatives and liberals on the place of faith in the shaping of pubic policy. He did so with a brilliant blend of theology with a decidedly philosophical twist. In the speech entitled "Call to Renewal," Obama spent considerable time castigating a former opponent and right wing politician Alan Keyes who is a Roman Catholic with deep moral convictions on such issues as gay marriage and abortion. In their head to head campaign Keyes brought into question the validity of Obama's faith when he stated that "Jesus would not vote for Obama" because of Obama's pro-abortion and pro-homosexual politics. The theme of Obama's speech is clear and very personal as he traces his own "decision for Christ" when he walked the isle in a Chicago church. I have no reason to doubt Obama's commitment to Christ. It is actually refreshing to hear a politician voice his own commitment to Christ and not color it with the party line that says "My personal faith is between me and the Lord and must be kept distinct from public policy if elected to office." In fact, Obama takes on his own party for doing just that by saying,

"Secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. So to say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition."

Oh my. The liberals have come a long way baby. Back in the late 70's and early 80's this was precisely the language in the playbook of evangelical conservatives. Our mantra back then was that the church and its voice BELONGS in the public arena of policy debate. Very few pastors caught this vision back then for fear of mixing politics and religion. Obama rightly defends the black church for its historic involvement in and pursuit of true social change. Having lived in the black community while serving as a pastor in the inner city of Philadelphia for eight years I can truly affirm that preaching social change is non-negotiable. The evangelical must have a social conscience. Obama sites the plethora of scriptural themes such as poverty, oppression, and injustice and the need for the church to confront these matters as we express our own salvation. That is, we must engage the ills of society and we must do so as we put feet to our doctrine. On this matter, I could not agree more. Obama calls for greater dialogue between conservatives and "progressives" on the relationship between faith and public policy. Again, I could not agree more.

My problem with Obama is that there are some social matters where there can be no middle ground. For example, when a baby is aborted he or she is dead. They are not part dead or dying, they are dead. The baby is burned or scraped or sucked out of the womb in a blatant disregard for the value of human life. We cannot get any more basic than that. When politicians view gays as an oppressed minority I am cut to the quick. If I were black or Hispanic I would be offended when a lifestyle of choice is given equal minority status with being black or Hispanic. Sure we must dialogue, but to what end? How can we dialogue when the chasm is so great?

Over the years evangelicals have wrongly established certain public policies around wrong interpretations of scripture. But so have the liberals. For example, the Bible has nothing to say about the price of gasoline. Nor does it have anything to say about whether or not global warming is a serious threat (except that God is planning a genuine global fire one day). Yet, somehow we have forced a Christian ethic on these matters and many others that has no basis in the word of God. Both sides are guilty of forcing the Bible to day things it does not say. Obama is just as guilty and is blind to his own twisted hermeneutic. Consider what he says.

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.

To lift out any text of scripture without building its context is a violation of basic principles of interpretation. In other words, he is guilty of the very thing he has so often criticized evangelicals of doing - lifting out scripture to suit their politics. The strong implication of Obama's speech is that the scriptures cannot be interpreted literally and are not without error. His posture is the same old black liberation theology of the 60's that holds to a low view of scripture. I will not take the time here to parse his words. Suffice it to say that slavery in the bible is not the same as the slavery that has forever marked American history. Nor, does Obama understand the function of a theocracy under which Israel functioned. Dietary and civil laws that governed Jewish society must be assessed in context and not used as a ploy to politicize the Bible. Obama just doesn't get it. How can we have an intelligent discussion on religious matters without some religious authority to appeal to? How can I as a Christian who believes there is but one way to heaven discuss with a Moslem the uniqueness of Jesus when they hold to the authority of the Koran and I hold to the authority of the Bible? Obama's answer seems to be that in a public forum there is equal truth in both. But there is not and therein lies the rub.

Obama does not believe in the verbal, plenary inspiration of scripture while any evangelical worth his salt does. My black brothers who claim belief in inerrancy preach every Sunday the message of the Gospel and call people to repent of sin and trust in Christ and Christ alone for their salvation. But I am dismayed that many of them (not all) then turn around and lend public support to candidates who stand for principles that are clearly anti-family and anti-life, and thus anti-scriptural. Can you imagine what power would flow from the pulpits of America if we insisted that our political leaders fall in line with at least the core values of scripture? I believe the great divide between liberals and conservatives would close if three key commitments were made, a covenant of true change, by both our inner city and suburban preachers. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton must not be the spokesman for the black community. First, we must agree never to support a pro-abortion candidate. Second, we must never support an anti-family candidate. Third, we must never support any politician who would enslave the poor with an ongoing welfare system that rewards immorality and violates the core biblical value that a workman is worthy of his hire. If we could agree to start the debate there then the divide will begin to close. Let's try that on for size and see how far we get.

Every once in a while I will post a position paper on a current event or topic, similar to this. What do you think? Am I right on or dead wrong?

In His Grip,
PB

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Paul's Gravatar I would say dead on. I want so badly to debate with you someday and I am hoping one of these times something jumps out at me so we can go head to head.
I do not have enough insight on the ongoing campaign efforts of either party to effectively articulate an argument for or against either candidate, but the foundation of your post does not lie necessarily in the particular case of Barrack Obama; rather, in the neutrality that binds politicians who claim to have a "stance" on such issues.
It becomes very typical for a politician to lean towards a popular vote on a topic. PB preaches week in and week out from the pulpit about the lack of a strong stance from people in general, about the lack of leadership exhibited in our homes, places of worship, businesses, and town halls. People seem to just rather not fight. What amazes me about Barrack is that even if he is currently playing the pro-abortion card and simultaneously playing the "I am a Christian" card, nothing is going to change based on his beliefs. They are merely a show. If he gets elected and switches to being pro-life, he will lose favor but abortion will still be legal. So what is he doing being a pro-abortion candidate. Oh, yeah, compromising for the sake of favor with voters. That is just what we need. Someone who can compromise their beliefs for the sake of the rest of us. Grrrreat.
Surf the middle ground. It is a safe place to spend your day, right? Everyone wins, everyone gets a trophy...it is becoming a tragedy really. I just completed an argument for my Masters program that was for or against ideal vs. practical standards in the workplace. Ideal standards involve striving for 100%, no failures, no mistakes. Practical standards say things will go wrong, people make mistakes, so shooting for 90% will be OK for today. EVERYONE except me argued for the practical standard...it required less effort, less struggle, so who wouldn't? My argument was to aim for perfection ,to strive for and expect excellence. I didn't get a pat on the back when we finished in the middle or back of the pack. When did shooting for second place become OK? My point in relation to Barrack Obama's stance on religion and politics is this: he shoots for what is popular because it is just that...popular and practical. He could argue for what is ideal...the standard the Lord offers us in His word. He (Barrack)is the biggest proponent of the "make as many folks happy as humanly possible" campaign. Just like the kids in the houses of American families are screaming for a hero in their homes and want to be challenged and led and want boundaries, Americans are screaming for someone to be bold. To affect real change and make us believe that he has a position on issues and no one questions them because he is consistent and clear and is willing to fight for them.
# Posted By Paul | 7/14/08 12:06 AM
Michael's Gravatar Right on Brother. Thank You. Would love th have lunch one day. I have recently lost my job so I have some time
# Posted By Michael | 7/14/08 8:12 PM
Randy's Gravatar Pastor, this was an exellent piece! If I wasn't so selfish (for wanting you to remain here at GRPC), I'd say take your position to the road and pave the way for the right kind of change.
# Posted By Randy | 7/17/08 9:15 PM
Michael's Gravatar Great piece! You are dead on target! It’s interesting to see how the media protects Obama and even is helping to forge his “Christian” image in order to help him possibly take some of those votes. When Alan Keys was running for office he was constantly assaulted with the religious questions. I would LOVE to see the media ask the Christian Obama if he believes Christ is the only way to heaven. Or if Muslims and Christians worship the same god! President Bush thinks we do! For 20 years this man sat under black liberation theology and it’s ideas. I just want to see him go down on record as to what he believes…
# Posted By Michael | 7/18/08 11:52 PM
Judy's Gravatar I totally agree with Randy, but also the part I'm also to selfish.
# Posted By Judy | 7/19/08 11:26 PM
Sean's Gravatar I agree. I read every political piece that I can get my hands on, and this was well written. I was very impressed that you gave Barack his due, along with pointing out where he strays from the truth. Well done.
# Posted By Sean | 7/20/08 12:45 PM
Chuck's Gravatar Keep those comments coming. I REALLY want to know what you all think. This is a critical election and the bloggers seem to be the only ones who desire the truth and write the truth.
# Posted By Chuck | 7/20/08 5:12 PM
Dan's Gravatar Like the devil, politicians are always most dangerous when they begin to quote scripture. I feel strongly in the seperation of church and state with the respondsibility of the state to protect the citizens, born or unborn. Since every goverment in history has in some way build it's law around the rule of law, which is ultimately the Ten Commandments, this would seem that it would also be the respondsibility of goverment to protect its basic unit, the family and family values. This brings us to your basic premiss, "there in, is the rub." Ultamately this brings us full circle to the question of who is right and who will you have to be king over you, the prince of this world or, The King, the soon coming king. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
# Posted By Dan | 7/21/08 3:57 AM
Jamie's Gravatar Great article and comments that followed. I would really like to focus on the last couple points that Pastor Betters touched on in regards to not supporting anti-life/anti-family candidates. This is something I have been thinking about a lot lately. I do not want this to come off as a post on who to vote for because that is not my intention at all.

As November approaches, I think more and more about what I am going to do when it is my time to vote. The closer it gets, the more I struggle with whether or not I should vote at all given my choices. I am 28 and have only voted in two elections and I definitely feel privileged to have the opportunity to cast my vote on Election Day, but I will also not compromise my position on the moral issues of abortion and gay marriage. So, the proposal above is not to to support any anti-life or anti-family candidates. Clearly, Obama would fit this category, but I am not comfortable with John McCain's weak stance when it comes to faith and gay marriage either.

So my question now is whether to vote for a candidate that is "somewhat aligned" with my values to keep the other candidate out ("lesser of two evils") or not vote at all. To be honest, I would much rather not vote at all in hopes that other evangelicals took that same stance and forced a political party to deliver a candidate with these same pro-life/pro-family views. Do you agree?

I recently read an article that said Dr. Dobson (Focus on the Family) has changed his stance from "absolutely not" to "maybe" when it comes John McCain, but that change seems like it is due to the fact that Obama is appearing to be quite the liberal radical and Dobson is opting to take the "lesser of two evils".

I think I personally have to disagree with Dr. Dobson on this one. While he may not be endorsing John McCain, I don't think compromise is the solution. My question is, what happens when we have two candidates down the road that are both pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage? I don't think it is crazy to think that could happen in the near future. I believe if we don't take a stand at some point, the evangelical vote will become trivial down the road because there won't be a clear stance. While some may view my position as unpatriotic for considering opting out of the vote, I don't think you will not find a verse in Scripture that supports voting for a candidate that doesn't stand firm on God's Word. I am all about fulfilling my civic duty, but at what cost?

Any thoughts? Do you agree with the "lesser of two evils" vote or not voting at all unless there is change?
# Posted By Jamie | 8/8/08 11:55 PM
Dan's Gravatar I share Jamie's concerns and also his final conclusion that there will come a day that to chose God will mean that we have no choice in the "world" of politics. In the world but not of the world is very simular to the man of Romans 7. The answer to the question of R7 is Jesus Christ and His Spirit (R8:2) to lead. My leading at this time is to vote for a write in candidate to do honor to the troops that are fighting to give me the right to vote and yet vote pro life and pro family and pro God. This then would seem to me to fit R13:1 that states, "...no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God." In the end it is all about God and not about you/me/man, but being about what God loves and God loves His people and now we are back to man. A thought: I just went around in a circle in what I just said. God is a straight line, no beginning and no end. Only since sin has enter the picture have we been going in circles, childeren of Israel in the desert, yearly feast est. God is trying to get us back to the "garden" and back to His straight line of eternity. In the garden there is only one vote and that is a vote for God and politics is the politics of the god of this world, politics of confusion.
Dan
# Posted By Dan | 8/9/08 4:04 AM
Chuck's Gravatar When one studies Romans 13 it becomes clear that the purpose of government is two-fold, to protect its citizens and to punish wrongdoers. Would the federal budget reflect that? As believers we must reorient our thinking about who leads us. The whole issue of this election is which man will appoint the next judges to the Supreme Court. When we elected Reagan we thought the abortion issue would be settled. Not only was it not settled but some of the judges he appointed proved to be the most liberal on the court. Clinton did even worse and it wasn't until recently that the court became 5-4 (against life) on issues like abortion and gay marriage that affects us. So which candidate will appoint strict constitutionalists to the court and not people who plan to legislate from the bench. Obama has made it clear he would appoint only those who give "women the right to choose." McCain has promised to appoint strict constitutionalists. Obama has made it clear where he stands on national defense and so has McCain. Which one do you believe will protect its citizens? Christians need to focus less on single issues and more on a candidate's world view. In this election we need to see the vast difference in the world view between the two. In fact, if Romans 13 is the criteria for political leaders then the one most qualified to lead would have been Rudy. Imagine that - Christians voting for a man who cheated on his wife. But should that be what we use to decide on a candidate's ability to lead?
# Posted By Chuck | 8/9/08 3:22 PM
Dan's Gravatar Pastor, your words, "The Bible is one book with 66 chapters." Romans is only one chapter. Rudy was also pro choice and pro gay rights and would not have gotten my vote. I am some what baffeled by the discussion. The Dem plateform stands for pro choice and pro gay rights and therefore it is not a choice for me no matter what Obama says or does. The Rep are not far behind and that leaves me back to voting my conscience and leaving the Supreme Court appointments in God's hand which brings me back to Romans 13:1. I am Independent that usually votes Rep and then fights them the whole time they are in office because of their envirormental policies. Yes, more than one issue but if the plateform is wrong from the start, the Dems, then Obama is not a choice.
# Posted By Dan | 8/9/08 8:08 PM
Chuck's Gravatar My point is missed. The evangelical vote is not enough to elect a president. Nor is abortion the only issue we should be concerned about. In reality the abortion issue will not be settled by a president but by the Supreme Court. And even if the court overturns Roe v. Wade it will ultimately be sent back to the states where the battles will start all over again. The president is supposed to protect his people (and that includes the unborn) and punish wrongdoers. Only a president who would appoint judges who interpret the law and not make law should be considered. That eliminates Obama in my thinking. The moral fiber of a president is not what we Christians should focus on. After all, Jesus talked about rendering to Caesar and he was anything but moral. We should instead focus more on his philosophy of government.When Reagan was elected we evangelicals thought we won the war. he was pro life and that was all we needed. We were dead wrong. The ideological battle was just beginning. Now, nearly 30 years later babies still die and judges who legislate from the bench are still appointed. We must change our strategy. We should be more concerned about the moral fiber of the judges and less concerned about whether or not a president is a moral failure (as is Rudy). I do believe McCain will appoint strict constitutionalist judges and so he has my vote. But if Rudy had won the nomination and I were faced with a choice between him and Obama then the argument would have to shift to a different level, that is, what kind of judges would he appoint and not how many times he had been married and who he cheated with. That discussion will not save one baby or block one gay marriage. But if the court could be swayed in our favor, then should we not be looking for that. Fortunately we do not need to concern ourselves with Rudy. But if we had to, would we have wanted him in office or Obama. To throw my vote away I need to have a moral reason to do so. And since I feel the abortion issue will not be decided in the White House and the gay marriage issue will not be decided by the next president but by the court he appoints that makes it a morally clear matter for me - elect the man who has the convictions about the courts that really matter.
# Posted By Chuck | 8/9/08 10:30 PM
Dan's Gravatar Hm! I'll have to chew on this a while, not so easy, maybe not as black and white as I would like it to be. Thanks for your thoughts and patients.
Dan
# Posted By Dan | 8/12/08 5:20 AM
Jamie's Gravatar This discussion is very helpful. As I pointed out in my previous post, my inexperience when it comes to voting raises a lot of my questions. I appreciate all of the insight. In the Republican primary, I voted for Mike Huckabee. I am not saying I would change my vote, but I think I was focussing more on the moral fiber of the candidates, rather than who would appoint strict judges to the Supreme Court. I think Huck stood firm on God's Word (from what I could see), and I obviously liked that, but I may not have been looking at the big picture. Plus, Chuck Norris had his back, so that pretty much sealed my vote. Kidding. In all seriousness though, I think I have a better outlook on how to use my vote to fight for change, rather than throwing it away. Although, I think we have to revisit this topic every election year, so our stance on these issues doesn't appear to change and our position is always proclaimed loud and clear as our candidates become worse. I read an article that referred to a new "younger evangelical Christian" population having a voice that doesn't fall in line with the Dobson types because they realize "there are other issues besides abortion and gay marriage". I couldn't agree more that there are other very important issues to be debated. These two issues, however, are not debateable if you claim to be an evangelical (like 25% of the US). Bottom line.

So then another question arises: Hypothetical situation. Given two candidates, let's say, John McCain and an independent Candidate X. Candidate X has the moral fiber, the strict constituionalist judges already in mind, and is basically the ideal "Christian" candidate, but has absolutely no chance in winning. The evangelical vote is not enough to appoint Candidate X, but it is certainly enough to keep John McCain from winning if all the evangelicals voted for X. If our goal is to make abortion and gay-marriage illegal some day (although I won't hold my breath), I assume the vote for John McCain would still be the vote that would make sense, but I have a little more trouble swallowing that one. Like Dan said, it is definitely not black and white.

Most importantly, prayer for our leaders, whether we share their views or not, should be at the top of the list for all Christians. Whether it is Obama, McCain, or Candidate X, we must pray for their leadership and this country and that God's will be done. No matter how much we disagree on issues or how frustrated we get with this country's politicians, we always have the assurance that our Lord is in control. Amen to that.
# Posted By Jamie | 8/15/08 10:29 PM
Dan's Gravatar I wonder if there are rules of engagement when it comes to blogging. Can the "good ole days" and politics be blended into one blog? Mavin Rosenthal calls God, " The perpetual contemporary", and when it comes to this old world, can there be good ole days. In the days past you cheered or voted for the home team, say Detroit vs. Pittsburgh. (Tigers were my team but I still loved and mourned the death of Roberto Clemente). But now we find the politics that we here now discuss, in our very own back yards and voting for the home boy may find us in opposition to God's word. Your home boy, Pastor Chuck, being Mr. Biden and it looks that the V.P. on the Republican side will b Mr. Romney, making him my home boy since I live in N.H., though we in N.H. try to distance ourselves from "The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts". Now Jamie, the water just got muddier and I am sorry to tell you, that as you get older it does get muddier. I can not vote for the Democrats with their pro choice and gay rights stand but now I must consider voting for a V.P. that does not worship the same god as I do and who comes from a state that still holds to Sunday Blue Laws, that could take away my right to worship on the seventh day Sabbath that I believe to be God's ordained day of worship. I tried to think who I could read about that would give me some insight to serving my government and serving God. I was led to the story of Daniel in Daniel 6. I hope for each of us that it can be said, "...servant of the living God, has your God, whom you constantly serve, been able to deliver you...".Our God, who has chosen us for just this time in His plan, will by His Spirit, provide the wisdom to vote. We are soldiers in active service and we must not entangle ourselves in the affairs of everyday life. More talk on this subject may come to entanglement. Romans 8:28 Dan
# Posted By Dan | 8/24/08 6:35 AM
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