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Rick Warren's Unfair Civil Forum

Posted At : August 18, 2008 11:49 AM | Posted By : Dr. Chuck Betters
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Best selling author and pastor Rick Warren's attempt at a civil forum between the two presidential candidates was a miserable failure for one very important reason - the fight was unfair. If I was Obama's manager and this forum was a boxing match, I would have thrown in the towel and cried out to the referee for mercy when McCain began to answer questions. By McCain's third verbal punch, as Obama's manager I would have yelled out, "Stop the fight!" Below is a excerpt of the CNN Forum.



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When asked about his position on abortion, Obama claimed that the answer to when life begins is "above his pay grade." What in the world did that mean? Since when is the single issue dividing this nation above the pay grade of the president of the United States? In contrast, McCain said "life begins at conception." Period and exclamation point. What? A politician who actually answers the question? On closer examination, Obama did answer the question in the context of another question: "Which Supreme Court justice would you NOT have nominated?" It was a brilliant question because the answers of the candidates clearly revealed the stark ideological divide between two men.

Obama said he would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. Hmmmmm. The most conservative of all the justices would not be the pick of unarguably the most liberal senator in the U.S. congress. But carefully consider WHY he would not have picked Thomas. Obama would not have selected Thomas because in Obama's opinion Thomas lacked EXPERIENCE necessary for the job. Are you kidding me? Senator Obama, what about your lack of experience for running our country? What EXPERIENCE do you bring to the presidency? You have never run a company. You have never held an executive office. And, you have been in the senate for a whole TWO YEARS with one of those years being spent on the campaign trail. There is something really wrong with this picture. Judge yourself by the same statements and you disqualify yourself from the highest office of our land.

In contrast, McCain said he would never have nominated Justices Ginsberg, Stevens, Breyer, and Souter. His reasons? All of these justices have proven to be the enemies of strict constitutional interpretation. In other words, rather than interpreting the constitution, all of them legislate from the bench.

In my opinion, this is one of the most critical issues of this election since the next president will likely nominate two justices when mercifully two of the more liberal ones retire. The abortion question will finally be answered in the Supreme Court and the state courts. The ideology between the two men was a clear as we can get. Their worldviews could not be more different. Their worldviews will determine their choice of Supreme Court justices. If you are a liberal, then vote for Obama. If you are not, then vote for McCain.

Before this debate even started I already knew that Obama was not my choice due to his ideology, philosophy of government, theology, and especially his judicial intent. Conservatives need to grow up. For evangelical leaders to imply they will stay home and not vote is the wrong message. No one is more pro-life than I am. Yet, the protection of the most vulnerable of our citizens, babies in the womb, will be decided in the courts. The civil forum has shown us clearly where each candidate stands. The choice could not be any clearer. If you are pro abortion, then vote for Obama. If you are pro life, then vote for McCain.

In His Grip,
PB

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Kevin's Gravatar Well put Pastor Betters, from my review it did seem a bit surprising that Senator Obama would have so willingly participated.

I was skeptical of this civil forum with I first learned it was the brainchild of Faith in Public Life, a leftist organization which purports to hold Judeo-Christian faith, without the Judeo-Christian values - read pro-choice, pro gay/gay marriage, etc.. I am pleased, however, with a cursory examination of my brother Pastor Warren's questions. I am even more pleased with Senator McCain's answers. In the past I have been occasionally unsettled by Senator McCain's willingness to undermine the speech of conservatives and to associate himself with individuals with an anti-Christian agenda. And while he would not be my first choice for a candidate, it has readily become apparent that he is the only choice we have if we hope to put someone who fears God into the most powerful position in the world.

While God will still be sovereign regardless of who wins, and we as Christians are still to submit to the winner in any case so long as it does not conflict with God's law - I believe it is imperative that we work to honor God in our government and affairs by putting someone there who will honor God in his thoughts and deeds.
# Posted By Kevin | 8/18/08 1:21 PM
Denis's Gravatar Nice piece brother!
Just vote the Bible. Christians shouldnt represent the Republican party,the Demecratic party, the Libertarian party,the Green party or the Pity party. We represent the Kingdom of God!
# Posted By Denis | 8/18/08 2:02 PM
Jamie's Gravatar I had the chance to watch the forum this past weekend as well. It really didn't change my opinion on Obama (already knew what he was about), but it definitely helped shape my opinion on McCain. The man's history and the experiences he has been through are really something else. Obama sure didn't think that Supreme Court justice question through too well did he? He talks about a need for more experience and then his opponent turns around and gives him a history lesson. Although I can't stand negative campaign ads, I had to chuckle at McCain's ad that compared Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. It is not really that far off though. One thing you could definitely see on stage is the charisma that Obama has (like a certain Mr. Clinton), and regardless of his roundabout and confusing answers, that charisma will help some people decide who they will vote for (sadly). McCain and Obama's stances on abortion were definitely loud and clear, but even if you are pro-choice, do you really want Mr. Popularity running our country at such a critical time?
# Posted By Jamie | 8/19/08 5:28 PM
Matt's Gravatar Thanks for the concise and pointed summary. I often let mysel get too frustrated when politicians fail to own up to their responsibilities, and I constantly need to remind myself that God is truly in control no matter what.

I think it is clear that if Barack Obama is elected it is because our country is due for more tough love. However, as a believer in Christ, I do think it is my responsibility to vote forr the candidate who at least appreciates the gift of life that God has given each of us.
# Posted By Matt | 8/20/08 10:10 PM
Jake's Gravatar I disagree calling the Forum a "miserable failure" because is was an unfair fight. Obama is a very smart man, he knew that the abortion questions would be asked. He did not need to go to that forum. He has already turned down "town hall" style debates with McCain because he knows he is not good at that format. Why is the asking and answering of the questions that Rick posed "unfair". Obama has made an effort to reach out to evangelical christians ever since he locked up the nomination several months ago. He wanted to go to the Forum to reach out to the evangelical voter. Obama is an "ultra-liberal" and has extreme views on abortion. That fact does not make the questions Rick Warren asked unfair and it certainly was not a "miserable failure".
# Posted By Jake | 8/21/08 3:08 PM
Dr. Chuck Betters's Gravatar You may have missed the point. Calling the forum "unfair" was tongue in cheek. It was like when Sonny Liston fought Cassius Clay. The build up to the fight was phenomenal. But when the fight took place it was clear it was a mismatch, thus Sonny Liston was knocked out. Warren's questions were VERY fair. The answers proved Sonny Liston (Obama) was no match for Clay (McCain)is this sort of forum. Obama may be able to hold an audience captive with his tremendous ability to give a speech and his "stage presence." But when
it comes to a face to face forum where he has to answer tough questions, he was no match for the likes of McCain.
# Posted By Dr. Chuck Betters | 8/22/08 11:29 AM
Jake's Gravatar Got it-I am a little young to know who Loston and Clay are.
# Posted By Jake | 8/22/08 11:39 AM
Denis's Gravatar In case you didn't see it. For your entertainment We have Clay (McCain) vs Liston (Obama)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I
# Posted By Denis | 8/22/08 1:57 PM
Joe's Gravatar You got it wrong Pastor Chuck,
McCain isn't "pro-life" ... he is simply "anti-abortion."
He had no problem dropping bombs on civilians and committing mass murder for the state when he was a pilot in the 60's.
And he has been the biggest supporter of America's war against Iraq ... a nation that never attacked the U.S. ... which has led to hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian-non-combatant deaths & thousands of American boys dead (for a war that took place under false pretenses to boot).
He is a secular-humanist warmonger.
And a Christian pastor such as yourself should have grave reservations about endorsing another "State-is-God" warmonger.
# Posted By Joe | 9/8/08 11:56 AM
Betty's Gravatar I would hope my pastor would not attempt to influence my vote one way or the other but instead encourage all of us to focus on 2Chro 7:14 since our country is really in trouble.
# Posted By Betty | 9/10/08 10:01 AM
Kevin's Gravatar Every brother and sister is called to encourage and exhort one another towards righteousness. (Hebrews 3:13) A Pastor's/Prophet's role is to point out the righteousness or lack thereof of a leader.

A war is not mass murder (unless it is an illegal war or genocide). Calling a man a secular-humanist warmonger without anything more than an allusion to his war service, which is undisputed among all reasonable thinkers, undermines the point I think you're trying to make.

I fought in Iraq. The U.S. is not in a war against Iraq, and it hasn't been since 1991 when Iraq did attack a U.S. ally. Your numbers are exaggerated. Your hyperbole is misplaced. And your anger barely concealed. If you're angry because we're at war with terrorism, consider this. President Bush has a better record against terrorism on U.S. soil than any modern time president going back more than 50 years. 7 years without an attack on American soil is not only "pretty good" but excellent. And the anger you feel in your heart right now when I justify President Bush reveals what is in your heart.

While there are many who will be so kind as to ignore your comments, I cannot. I am a Christian first, and I'm not sure how far down the line being an American is. But as a Christian, I cannot stand by while the innocent are called unrighteous (President Bush) and the guilty are praised (those who would support or condone terrorism in the name of peace).

Finally, our country is in trouble. It's in trouble because our people don't think. They can hardly repent when they would readily support a man who is willing to kill babies outside the womb (look it up, your man Obama voted for infanticide three times in Illinois) and condemn a man who is seeking to protect the innocent world-wide, not just on American soil. In fact, they can be hardly said to be thinking. If my tone is harsh, then ask yourself why is it that 'Christians' can no longer agree on what is right and what is wrong? Do we both have the same spirit of Christ living within us?
# Posted By Kevin | 9/11/08 8:13 PM
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