Suicide victims will still go to heaven.
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Hi Bloggers! Here I share with you a question from another reader.
If a person has given their life to Christ, however, they take their own life will they still go to heaven?
ds
Dear DS,
Suicide is at once both an act of desperation and extreme selfishness. Some denominations consider suicide unforgiveable since, they reason, a true believer would not murder (himself). But there are great mysteries that make up the human mind and so much about depression is unknown. For example, we know that some forms of depression are caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Specifically, a faulty connection involving neurotransmitters and brain synapse can result in depression. Thus, there are in some cases a real relationship between depression and a chemical imbalance in the body. The sufferer simply cannot help it. It would be hard to conclude that a true believer could never have such an imbalance. Many do suffer from severe depression and psychotic disorders due to no fault of their own. Granted these are rare.
For the most part depression is the direct result of disobedience. But one cannot conclusively say that all mentally incapacitated persons are always acting sinfully. Ultimately, we entrust the suicide victim into the hands of a merciful and loving God who does all things well. But it would be wrong to say that all suicide victims are lost eternally. When we come to faith in Christ all of our sins (past, present, and future) are forgiven. There is no sin that remains un-forgiven once we are saved. But I would truly question the salvation of someone who claims to know Christ, has no chemical imbalance, and falls into a depression motivated by sinful disobedience. If such a person were to commit suicide I doubt they would be saved. Please note the above caveat - There is a vast difference between spiritual depression and/or oppression and a depression caused by bad choices and sinful life patterns.
With that said, I don't want to assume that you are not asking this question for yourself. If you are the one who is struggling with taking your own life, please be encouraged that God loves you. He loves you so much that he sent his only Son to die for you. And there are others in this life that care for you too, even if you don't quite see it right now. But the most important thing to understand is that God's will for your life is a good one. Jeremiah 29:11 says, "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." Terrible things may take place around us, or even to us... but that is because we live in a sinful world. The good news is that God is redeeming it in his infinite plan. That plan includes you, whether he uses someone to support you, or uses you to support someone else who is struggling with similar circumstances. Put your trust in Jesus Christ, and open your heart to him. Allow yourself to experience God's love! The next step is to tell someone you trust immediately about your feelings, so they can be "God's hands" in helping you.
If you are writing in reference to someone else, then you can also be encouraged by the fact that if someone has truly given their life to Christ, then taking their own life will never exclude them from heaven. There are two scriptural reasons for this: eternal security, and correct understanding of the "unforgiveable sin" in Matthew 12:31 (and paralleled in Luke 12:10).
Matthew 12:31 says, "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."
It has been argued that this verse refers to suicide. It is further supported by Roman Catholic teaching which came from Thomas Aquinas. He believed confession of sin was a requirement for forgiveness of sins prior to death, thus someone taking their own life died with unconfessed and unrepentant sin. However, this view does not stand up biblical scrutiny. When examined in context, Matthew and Luke both refer to a rejection of Jesus Christ and his work as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Read the passage from Matthew 12:22-37 for the entire story and you will see what I mean. Luke 12:9 is even clearer: "But he who disowns me before men will be disowned before the angels of God." Suicide is not a rejection of Jesus Christ, or calling the good work of the Holy Spirit evil. It is simply succumbing to sorrow or solitude in our mind that overwhelms us in a moment of weakness.
Eternal Security is the doctrine of "once saved, always saved." Obviously, we don't know a person's heart like God does. We can only see the outward evidences of faith. But the Bible is clear that if someone truly gives their heart to Christ, trusting in him for eternal life, then that person is guaranteed to be with him in glory. There are several passages which support this:
John 5:24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 10:27-29
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand."
1 John 5:11-13
"And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."
When you add to these the understanding that salvation is by grace a gift of God (Ephesians 2:8-9) and established by the eternal and unbreakable love of God (Romans 8:37-39), we see that our salvation has nothing to do with us, other than our surrender to it! We may fail, but God never does. And the bible says that he is both the author and finisher of our faith (Phil 1:5-7). Further, if our salvation depended on the things that I do, or do not do, then what need would have of Christ's death on the cross? That atoning death forgave all our sins; past, present and future. And his resurrection guarantees that death has been defeated. Romans 6 says that just as we died to sin through his death on the cross, we will also live with him through his resurrection!
So be encouraged that your loved one, co-worker, friend, or whomever your email is referencing might have succumbed to a moment of mental or emotional weakness, but that spiritually they have been, and always will be, in God's grip of grace and love if they truly knew Christ. No one and nothing, not even that moment of "failure," is able to take them out of God's hands. I pray this gives you peace.
The above response was co-written with Damon Cinaglia, GRPC Director of Community Life.
In His Grip,
Dr. Chuck Betters

is not the same as spiritual depression or oppression which is what these great men apparently suffered from. That is why I used that language.
I did not get that at all from this post...I got that if there is a physical means for the depression then God has died for that act as well. If we are just depressed because we are dwelling on ourselves and NOT listening to what God has for us than we should question our salvation. BUT I believe Dr. Betters was saying basicly we need to trust God.
Hi Donna. You wrote: "If we are just depressed because we are dwelling on ourselves and NOT listening to what God has for us than we should question our salvation."
I would take a different approach, because for me, this distinction doesn't really seem to resonate. I would say that if we are depressed because we are dwelling on ourselves, then questioning our salvation keeps our focus on ourselves and doesn't truly do anything to resolve depression. In addition, I think that many of those who are depressed mainly by dwelling on themselves or because they have turned away from God, most likely first faced the oppressive type of depression and then developed patterns of thought that keep them pinned down.
I've been depressed and despairing to the point of seriously considering suicide. And yes that state was based on a combination of unbelief and a self-focussed thought life, but also I had tried "doing" quite a few things also to relieve the suffering that I was going through (like serving in the church and working harder). The harder I tried, the worse my depression became.
The best counsel that I received was from a woman who shared the Gospel, exhorted me to Believe and to pray the scripures. I remember praying this one a lot: Lord, I believe, but help my unbelief. I was then pointed to other scriptures that illuminated the holiness of God and His grace toward the oppressed. I also immersed myself in the teaching of D Martyn Lloyd Jones' book called "Spiritual Depression."
So, for me, that is the approach I prefer. I do think the crux centers on the issue of belief and unbelief, but I would seriously question jumping to the conclusion that the person is not saved, just because they are trapped/ensnared in sin. Especially if the person responds positively to the scriptures (esp. the Psalms) and the Gospel message. (However, I;ll admit that I basically don't have the patience and fortitude that it takes to bear with one another's burdens trying to go thru this dark and painful process.-I'm not very good at it.)
I also suppose it is a matter of discernment as to where the line is between ministering to and helping to restore someone, verses letting them go and telling them to question their salvation. I find that typically, if I stick to the Gospel and the counsel of scripture, the believer will eventually be drawn out and the unbeliever will reject it.
I know Pastor Betters is much better at all of this than I'll ever be. And I do enjoy the discourse. Thanks for letting me share my $.02
is not the same as spiritual depression or oppression which is what these great men apparently suffered from."
I agree that some depressions are the direct result of disobedience to God. I also believe that once saved, there is no sin that remains un-forgiven to God, just to people themselves.
However, is there a possibilty that one could be experiencing a Spirtual depression caused by a sinful past and very bad choices and still be obedient to God in the present?
As for suicide, I have helped many people make the choice to not take their own life and most are glad they chose life. The problem with suicide is that it so often a very selfish act and most folks forget about the loved ones they leave behind. Suicide is so often a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I have worked with many people suffering with grief over loss, but none more significant than the loss of a loved one to suicide. To me, suicide is the ultimate act of anger and selfishness. Often, the person thinking of suicide believes no one loves them or that people will be better off with out them, but this is the farthest thing from the truth, one of satan's lies. The fact is that suicide leaves behind a minefield of pain, anguish and suffering that few can ever comprehend. Will the person who kills himself go to heaven? I agree that it depends on the person's walk up to that point, but my problem with this is that suicide is all too often an act of rage and anger. I have thought of suicide during several very dark and hopeless periods in my life, even to the point of planning how I would do it. However, in my faith walk, I have realized that in doing this, I am absolutely telling God that I know more than HE and have recognized that this is very arrogant of me. If I had ended my life during the dark times, I would never be who I am today. When I thought of killing myself, if I look deeply at my feelings, I realize I was angry, hurt, and frustrated with the world and life, but also a part of me was angry with God for not making everything better, immediately when I wanted Him to fix everything, right now! In other words, I wanted God to act exactly as I thought HE should have acted and at my timetable. I was spiritually lost, selfish and wanted immediate fixes to my problems. Looking back, I realize this is a spiritual issue of surrender and obedience. In this life, in the material world, there is suffering, disappointment, loss and anguish, but our purpose here is to help others and to be obedient to GOD, to surrender to HIS plan for us and our life, no matter how difficult our circumstances, which are always temporary. We are to be obedient to HIM even when we don't feel like it or when odds are against us. Every person on this planet can make a difference to someone else but few realize it--that is where faith comes in. If you know of someone who has suicidal thoughts, get them help immediately.
Love and Peace
Chris